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Galliformes and other animals for South America (ïðîäîëæåíèå)
JOrnitho: Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken. [more]Copper jacumitan (Jacumita cuprinus) During the Holocene, the man introduced many species in other continents. The jacumitan is a descendant of domestic chicken (Gallus gallus domesticus) that are introduced in South America. It replaced the birds in the family Cracidae, which are extinct in the Neocene, in some areas. In a matter of fact, the name jacumitan is the junction of the words jacu, the popular name in Brazil for guans of the Genus Penelope, and the tupi word mitã (mitan) that means new, this way the name means “new guan”. The copper jacumitan is the type species of this genus and lives in the savannas and woodlands of Central South America. The copper jacumitan is sexually dysmorphic. The male measure 190 cm, due to the long tail, it has a bright coppery brown upperbody plumage and reddish-brown feathers below. They also have metallic dark green feathers on the tail and wings. Only males have a bright red naked skin on the face, with two wattles that conceal the sides of its head. This characteristic is shared by all males of the genus Jacumita. The males of the genus also have crests formed by white feathers with black tips. During courtship and panic moments, they rise the crests. The females have 75 cm of length and are cryptic brown and adapted to camouflage, its naked skin on the face is pale pink and don’t have flesh wattles. The young males are similar to the females until they reach 9 weeks, at this time the wattle begin to develop. Both sexes have long orange colored legs and grey beak. The males have spurs that they use in fights for dominance. The neck is long and slim. Copper jacumitans can fly, but prefer to run from the predators flying only as last resort. These birds are omnivorous and feed on insects, seeds, and fruits. Its forage for food by scratching the ground, usually near herbivores this way there is other animals observing for the presence of predators. Often the male sits on a high perch, to serve as a lookout for his group. He sounds an alarm call if predators are nearby. At night it will sleep perched on branches. Copper jacumitans are polygamous; the male will have a harem with 5 to 12 females and will guards the area where his females are nesting, and attack other males that enter his territory. To initiate courting, the males will dance in a circle around or near a female, raising their crests and lowering the wing which is closest to the hen. Then, he will vocalize and when she responds to his call, the male will mount her and proceed with the mating. The females make their nest in the ground, laying 6 to 14 red eggs which are incubated for 22 days. Chicks are precocious, leaving the nest shortly they are born. They fledge in about 4 to 5 weeks, and at 13 weeks old are chased out of the group by their mother, at which point the young males start to form a harem and the females join an existing one. Sexual maturity is reached at 6 months and the lifespan of this species is of 13 years, however is common for males to die early due to predation. Other species in the genus Jacumita are: Golden jacumitan (Jacumita aurea) Living in the forests of the Atlantic coast of South America, the males of this species has 200 cm of length, from beak to tail, while the females have 83 cm. The plumage of the male have a bright golden-yellow plumage in the upperparts, being scarlet in the chest and belly. They have dark metallic green wing feathers and tail while the female is cryptic brown. Red jacumitan (Jacumita amazonica) Living in the "terra firme" forests of the Amazon , the males of this species has 185 cm of length, from beak to tail, while females have 70 cm. The plumage of male is bright orange-red in the upperparts, while their chest and belly is yellow. The males also have dark metallic blue wing feathers and tail while the female is cryptic brown. Andean jacumitan (Jacumita andina) Living in the highland forests in the slopes of the Andes, the males of this species has 170 cm of length, from beak to tail, while females have 68 cm. The plumage of the males is white in the upperparts and yellowish-red in the belly and chest. The males also have dark metallic blue wing feathers and tail while the female is cryptic brown. This other one is about a descendant of the californian quail: Common austral grouse (Tetraoinus australis) During the Holocene, the man introduced many exotic species different habitats, the ancestor of the austral grouse was one of these species. Their ancestor was not a true grouse, but the Californian quail, due to evolutionary convergence they acquired characteristics similar to the true grouses of North America. Living in the forests of Southern South America, the male austral grouse are 55 cm long and the female have 44 cm of length. The male have a dark grey body plumage, black-and-white bridled head pattern, black back and a greyish-blue belly. They have a curving crest or plume, made of six feathers that droops forward (long and black in males /short and brown in females) and long forked blackish tail with white undertail coverts. Females and immature birds are mainly greyish-brown with a light-brown belly. Both sexes have a black bill and relatively long grey legs. Their diet consists mainly of seeds and leaves, but they also eat some berries and insects. In some regions their main source of food are the seeds of trees of the Genus Araucaria. These birds are not elegant fliers, however they sleep perched in branches. Given a choice, they will normally escape on foot. During the courtship, the male austral grouse do displays on a lek, each male have a “personal space”. The males strut around their chose space, doing a display. The display consists of the male posturing himself with the head near the ground. Then, they start to move it from right to left showing their crests, simultaneously they raising the tail feathers, showing their withe undertail coverts. After that, they will raise their heads abruptly and whilst make a highly distinctive mating call. When another male invade the personal space of other, a fight happens, in this case the male will try to take of the crest of the rival, this way they will not be capable to display for the females. The female usually lays approximately 12 spotted eggs. The nest is a shallow scrape lined with vegetation on the ground. Incubation lasts from 21–25 days, usually performed by the female and rarely by the male. The chicks are precocial, leaving the nest with their parents within hours of hatching. The male stay with the female until the young leave, with 3 months. The young reach sexual maturity with 1 year, with this age the young males acquire the coloration of an adult male. Their lifespan is of 27 years. In the forests of Tierra del Fuego another species lives, the Black boreal grouse (Tetraoinus nigrus). Their main difference to the other species is that the males have an all-black plumage, with only a faint shade of blue in the chest and brown undertail coverts. The females are similar to that of the common austral grouse. The males have 52 cm and the females 41 cm.[/more] I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.
JOrnitho: ëÿãóøêà ïèøåò: We already have protocarnivorous ones: Brocchinia reducta and Catopsis berteroniana. It can evolve in something new in Neocene. These plants could live in the tepuis of the Amazon. A chapter about the endemic fauna of these areas would be interesting.
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: gallery forests Where gallery forests in Brazil, can you indicate on the map? About our fishing owl Tukutuku in Catatumbo delta, we we discussed with Ìåäâåäü, that it can be diving for water animals like Osprey. Owls have an uropygial gland that secretes oil, an owl can spread oil on feathers so as not to get wet when diving.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: Where gallery forests in Brazil, can you indicate on the map? It's difficult to point because it are located around any small river and stream that flows in Central Brazil. The humidity of these areas allow trees to grow and attract species of the dry surrounding areas. wovoka ïèøåò: About our fishing owl Tukutuku in Catatumbo delta, we we discussed with Ìåäâåäü, that it can be diving for water animals like Osprey. Owls have an uropygial gland that secretes oil, an owl can spread oil on feathers so as not to get wet when diving. It's an interesting idea. The Tukutuku could be more specialized than the nhakurutukutu, with the glands being more developed.
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: It's an interesting idea. The Tukutuku could be more specialized than the nhakurutukutu, with the glands being more developed. Yes! JOrnitho ïèøåò: It's difficult to point because it are located around any small river and stream that flows in Central Brazil. The humidity of these areas allow trees to grow and attract species of the dry surrounding areas. So first of all it is around any small river in Cerrado?
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: So first of all it is around any small river in Cerrado? Yes. I believe that it's also possible for it to occur in the chaco region.
JOrnitho: I finished these two fishes. ëÿãóøêà, can you give your opinion about them? Fishes aren't my area of expertise. Also, Can someone post a link for the description of Pike live-bearer (Sphyraenesia ferox)? I plan to work in the Wentameke-arawana next. Typanake-tunu, Southern shark catfish (Arioselache vorax) Order: Siluriformes Family: Ariidae Habitat: Atlantic coast of South America, coastal areas and pelagic habitats As a result of the collapse of the planktonic communities between the transition between the Holocene and Neocene, many large predatory fishes became extinct. New species evolved in the vacuum left by their demise. Among them were the ariid catfishes. Some representatives of this group had become predators similar in body shape to sharks and are known as the Genus Arioselache. While the type species, the Shark catfish inhabits Caribbean waters, another member of this genus, the Typanake-tunu is an inhabitant of the Atlantic coast of South America. In Carib language, Typanake means catfish and tunu means shark. The Typanake-tunu is a very large ariid catfish, reaching 300 cm and can have at least 150 Kg. Like their Caribbean relatives, they occupy the ecological niche of small sharks. They are well adapted to hunt large inhabitants of these waters, mostly by waiting for them in the seafloor and going up to attack in an ambush. These fishes spawn in shallow waters, where they establish well delimited territories that they fiercely defend from neighbors. Outside the breeding season, they move along the coast of South America, but avoid going into open sea. The body shape of this catfish is very similar to that of a shark. Its body is streamlined, with sharp triangular fins and wide mouth with numerous teeth. The Typanake-tunu is colored gray-blue, the edges of fins are white, and the belly is white. Like the Caribbean species, they also have pectoral fins supplied with pointed poisonous spikes. They have large eyes, which shine in the darkness. It's a result of a layer of cells in the retina that contain guanine. It serves the catfish habit of hunting in twilight and at night, hiding during the day. In search of small prey wattles supplied with chemoreceptors help this fish. Like the Shark catfish, the Typanake-tunu has two long ones on top of the jaw and a barb formed by 4 growing near each other short wattles on the bottom jaw. Males brood up to 30 egg of about 2 cm in diameter in their mouth for 2 months. During this period, they do not feed and survive with their fat reservoirs. In case of danger it swallows eggs for their protection, but moves them to the mouth again when the situation is safe. After the fry hatches, male protects them from enemies for the first 4 months. While they grow, the young keep near the head of the male. Sexual maturity is reached within 1 year and they have a lifespan of 37 years, but under exceptional conditions they can reach 60 years. Ari-Tukunare, Strong-jawled peacock bass (Neocichla macrocephala) Order:Cichliformes Family:Cichlidae Habitat: Estuaries, river deltas, mangroves and coastal waters of Northern South America, from the Amazon to the Maracaibo Gulf. The transition between the Holocene and Neocene had caused the extinction of several species. However, the survivors continued to evolve and adapt to new habitats. The butterfly peacock bass (Cichla ocellaris) was a one of these survivors. This very large species of cichlid from South America gave rise to the Ari-Tukunare. In carib language Ari means shellfish and Tukunare is the name of its ancestor. This fish is anadromous, being capable of living in both fresh and saltwater. They inhabit estuaries, river deltas, mangroves and coastal areas of Northern South America, from the Amazon to the Maracaibo Gulf. To survive in these brackish and salt water areas, these fishes had evolved to become euryhaline. It actively excretes salt out from the gills. However, they are newcomers to this lifestyle and their survival is limited to coastal regions, close to where freshwater meets the salt one. They’ll not swim in the open sea. The Ari-Tukunare are sexually dismorphic. The males have a large and rigid protuberance on their heads that is used in intraspecific disputes during the breeding season. Besides it, they are also larger, reaching 75 cm in opposition to the simple 60 cm of the females. Both are also different in their colors, the male’s body is greenish yellow and the fins are bright orange. The skin covering the protuberance on their head is pale red, but becomes bright during the breeding season. The females have a dull green body and pale yellow fins. The only thing that the two have in common are the two vertical dark strips that run down the sides of their bodies. With powerful mandibles, the Ari-Tukunare is capable of breaking the shell of shellfish and the exoskeleton of crustaceans. Thus, these are the main part of its diet. They consume to a lesser degree snails and smaller fishes. Spawning season for the fish happens during the rainy season. Females congregate in large schools. Such groups will swim in circles, while the males move around them. Fights between males happen constantly, with them headbutting each other with the protuberances. Bites are also common. These disputes can cause serious wounds and some males perish during this period. When a female accepts a male, she’ll leave the school and start swimming next to him. Then, the couple will leave toward a safe place, usually in more fresh waters. Like their ancestors, adult Ari-Tukunare create large flat surfaces that are hardened down near the shore in order to serve as a spawn location. The two swim around the nest together, turning their bodies so that the eggs and sperm that are being released will come in contact on the way down to the nest. Once the eggs are laid, both adults are responsible for protecting them from predators.The eggs can take about two to four days to hatch. The parents will watch the fry for three to four weeks. Ari-Tukunare can spawn three times per rainy season. The growth from spawn to the average length progresses rapidly throughout the first 16 to 18 months of life. Average lifespan for the Ari-Tukunare is 6 to 10 years.
ëÿãóøêà: JOrnitho All of fishes are good! They are good-described, and I don't see anything strange in their descriptions insterd of this: reaching 35 cm in opposition to the simple 25 cm of the females Why they were diminished to this size? Present day's peacock basses are growing to ~60-70 cm, and I don't see reasons to becomw smaller to its descendents. Butterfly Peacock Bass Correct this name. Butterfly peacock bass was ancestor, but not this form. And if this fish will become smaller, I think it shall have shorter lifespan - more predators will be able to eat it.
JOrnitho: ëÿãóøêà ïèøåò: Why they were diminished to this size? Present day's peacock basses are growing to ~60-70 cm, and I don't see reasons to becomw smaller to its descendents. I'll edit the size. I thought that they would have more or less the size of their ancestors, but I ended typing the average size of a young. Effects of doing it late in the night. Offtopic, I saw the images that Cossus did for the project with the AI. He did a excelent work with it!
wovoka: it's in this chapter: http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/2pircarb.htm good fishes!
ìåäâåäü: Interesting fish!
JOrnitho: I finished the description of other two species. ëÿãóøêà, I used the information of your marine Salinopoecilia to make the Sapelko because they would be from the same genus. Can you see if it's good? Wentameke-arawana, or jumping pike life-bearer (Sphyranesia pseudovolans) Order:Cyprinodontiformes Family: Rapaciliidae Habitat: Coastal and open waters of Tropical Atlantic. The mass extinction that resulted from the Plankton Collapse in the boundary between the Holocene and Neocene left several open niches. Once the ecosystems once again entered in equilibrium, new species were able to evolve to fill them. This was the case of the genus Salinopoecilia, descendant of tiny live-bearer fishes (Gambusiidae) that became adapted to live at the sea. After the extinction of large predatory fishes, this group evolved to replace them. One of the species in this genus is the Wentameke-arawane, a large fish that inhabit much of the tropical waters of the Atlantic Ocean. In Carib language, their name means “in eating habits similar to fish arawana”. In the Holocene era, people also called arawana - the “water monkey” because of its ability to jump out of the water and catch prey. The Wentameke-arawana is a very large fish. They have a body length of 170 to 200 cm, with males being slightly smaller than the females. Their morphology doesn't differ much from other close relatives, such as the pike life-bearer. The Wentameke-arawana have a large head (approximately 20% of body length), wide mouth with recurved teeth and big eyes. What differs this species from others is that their elongated and slim body reaches larger lengths than those of close species. Being compressed on both sides, their body became very aerodynamic. It allows them to jump out of the water with great speed. They also have a short dorsal fin, with a bright yellow color. The rest of their morphology is typical for the genus. The caudal peduncle is tetrahedral in section, they have a well-expressed keel stretch and there are strong muscles, letting the fish to swim fast and to make sharp throws. Tail fin is high and crescent, typical of a fast swimmer. This species has a silvery-blue body, lacking the black speckles of the pike life-bearer. The colors are darker in the upperparts and lighter below. The Wentameke-arawana feed on fishes and squids, hunted with the use of their speed. Dragonfly life bearers are among the most common prey, being captured even when they try to glide over the water, the predator will jump after them. It'll also swim near the surface of the water, waiting for potential prey, primarily birds and bats. In coastal areas such as mangroves they’ll hunt arboreal animals sitting on branches hanging over the water. They form schools of 10 to 20 individuals, which patrol the waters after prey. Fertilization, like that of their ancestors, is performed with the help of first rays of anal fin, which are very long at the male of this species. When the fish swim, they reach the tail edge. The basis of these rays is covered with small scales, and fin rays form the tube intended for injection of soft roe into the female’s oviducts. Pregnancy lasts about two weeks and 300 young fishes can be produced in one litter. Being tiny and vulnerable to predators, a significant part of them perishes already during the first month of life. But being one-year-old, this fish already grows to 70 cm long. Sexual maturity is reached within 2 years. Life expectancy seldom happens more than 15 years, they are still targets for predators such large squids and sharks. Amòiky-sapelko, Paradise salinopoecilia (Salinopoecilia paradisea) Order: Cyprinodontiformes Family: Poecilidae Habitat: Tropical coastal waters of the Southern Atlantic ocean. The Planktonic Collapse during the transition of the Holocene to the Neocene had a devastating impact over the creatures that lived in the sea. Many animals perished, leaving their niches vacant. This gave opportunity for species to evolve and to replace them. The genus Salinopecilia was one of these cases. Descending from the Poecilia livebearers, they became fully adapted to live in saltwater. Among the members of this Neocenic group is the Sapelko, an inhabitant of the tropical coastal waters of the Southern Atlantic ocean. In the Carib language, Salpeko was the name of the Poecilia parae and Amòiky means "collect many small objects". Differently from other species that descended from the livebearers, the Amòiky-sapelko is a small fish. The males have 15 cm of length and females are 20 cm. Like other members of this genus, this species have a body shape similar to that of their ancestors, but noticeably more elongated. They share with the marine salinopoecilia several morphological characteristics: a relatively small head, with the mouth being directed upwards, but not as much as in their ancestors. Jaws that are filled with small, sharp, recurved teeth, with the ones in the mandible being slightly longer than the ones in the jaw. Powerful fan-shaped pectoral fins located behind the gill coverts. A pointed-triangular dorsal fin located on the middle of their back, which is slightly more elongated than that of their ancestor. A fan-shaped caudal fin that is wider in the males. The anal fin is located after the anus, in the female it is pointed-triangular, like in the ancestor, in the male it is transformed into a tubular copulatory organ (gonopodia). Pelvic fins are slightly in front of anus, triangular and reduced. They are smaller in the male than female. The color of this fish is silvery with a metallic sheen, the scales are cycloid, the lateral line is well developed. The upperparts are darker than the underparts. All these characteristics are shared by all the Salinopoecilia species. What distinguishes this species from others is the color of their fins. The fins of females are transparent with dull brown dots along the rays. In the males, the fins are bright blue with dark black dots. Such colors are more vivid in healthy males, being a criteria for the females to choose possible partners for reproduction. The Amòiky-sapelko is a diurnal animal, at night these fish rest and hide from predators among rocks and aquatic vegetation. They feed on various zooplankton organisms, small crustaceans, fry and plant debris, devouring them through suction. They live in shallow waters, close to algae and aquatic plants. These fish can form schools of 20 to 40 individuals. In these groups there is a larger number of females compared to that of the males. Thus, polyandry is the common practice among them. They breed all year round, with pregnancy lasting one month. A mature female gives birth to up to 50 tiny fry that are left to fend for themselves. Because of the schooling lifestyle, these livebearers rarely show cannibalism, but the young avoid staying in the school. The fry hide in thickets of algae and water plants and grow rapidly, with three months they already have a length of 6 cm and start to gather in groups. They reach sexual maturity at the age of 8 months for males and one year for females. They have a lifespan of 5 to 13 years, but many are preyed upon before reaching this age.
ëÿãóøêà: JOrnitho there are good fish, I like them. I'm not against placing Sapelko in same genus.
wovoka: JOrnitho, good fishes! It’s related to the fish’s habit of jumping out of the water to catch prey. May be you should clarify information "first of all birds and bats". JOrnitho ïèøåò: Carib language, their name means “in eating habits similar to fish arawana”. May be here you should add to the decription, what was the fish arawana, what was it's "eating habits" For example, you can write: In the Holocene era, people also called arawana - the “water monkey” because of its ability to jump out of the water and catch prey, it usually swam near the surface of the water, waiting for potential prey, primarily birds and bats, as well as arboreal animals sitting on branches hanging over the water. I thought we decided Sapelko would be a species with different subspecies occupying different econiches: A: Itupu-sapelko herbivores fish (itupu - grass in Carib) B: Amòiky-sapelko - planktonvorus fish (Amòiky means "collect many small objects" in Carib ) C: Ìmempìkiwoto-sapelko small fish eating (Ìmempìki – very small; woto - the name of any fish) D: woto-sapelko medium fish eating E: pàporo-sapelko omnivores fish (pàporo - means "everything" in Carib) F: mari-sapelko snails eating fish (mari - snail) Or may be sapelko better will be a Genus with differrent species occupying different econiches? JOrnitho ïèøåò: In the Carib language, Salpeko was the name of the Poecilia parae. Misprint! Sapelko. JOrnitho, I have a new crazy idea. There is such a water mushroom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psathyrella_aquatica Mushrooms of the genus Psathyrella also exist in South America. The closest to Maracaibo region Psathyrella candolleana - map of areal https://www.gbif.org/species/9201176 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candolleomyces_candolleanus The idea is to make this mushroom undewater in Catatumbo and to make symbiosis with waterlily. May be it can make mycorrhiza with waterlily? And this mushrooms will be eating our water rodent - Korònaka taporoporo and may be some fishes. The name of the water mushroom will be: Tuna sampore or Tuna sapipi or Tuna urupe (tuna - water in carib and sampore; sapipi; urupe - it's all means mushroom in carib). What do you think about this idea? And what the name do you prefer? JOrnitho, about carnivoruos tomato. I think the chapter name wil be "Thickets of predatory tomato". Like a horror movie title Are there any gallery forests on the banks of the Rio Salado as she crosses the Chaco region? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salado_River_(Argentina) https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Austral we will need for the chapter: 1. carnivourus mashroom, which will be in symbiosis with tomato 2. Mole cricket - the food for the mushroom. 3. nematode - the food for the mushroom. victims of tomato 3. plant lice 4. Aphids 5. thripses 6. small caterpillars 7. maggots pollinators 8. two or three species of bees (best of all Augochloropsis, they are very beautifull) kleptoparasites 9. predatory bugs 10. predatory beetles parasites 11. caterpillars of Noctuidae (maybe Helicoverpa zea) 12. Acanthosomatidae 13. Chrysomelidae Fruit of this plant is small red berry. In ripen condition the fruit of plant is edible, and it is eaten willingly by large ground rodents. 14. may be it will be Chaco grass mouse (Akodon toba) which will become bigger. 15. bird eating fruits 16 bird eating caterpillars of Noctuidae 17. Ao ao, or pecarry-entelodon - eating meat and plants. Perhaps a group of them is attracted by the fruits of the tomato. Ñoncrete species will be determined later, if you help me?
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: May be you should clarify information "first of all birds and bats". wovoka ïèøåò: May be here you should add to the decription, what was the fish arawana, what was it's "eating habits" I'll add these information! wovoka ïèøåò: Or may be sapelko better will be a Genus with differrent species occupying different econiches? I think that it could be a genus with several different species. These characteristics would be too different to fit in the Salinopoecilia. I can change the species that I made to be only the paradise Salinopoecilia and the Sapelko a separate one. wovoka ïèøåò: What do you think about this idea? And what the name do you prefer? I like it! I think that the name Tuna sapipi is better. wovoka ïèøåò: Ñoncrete species will be determined later, if you help me? Of course! Maybe the Ao ao peccary could appear on this chapter. I think that it would be like an entelodon, eating meat and plants. Perhaps a group of them is attracted by the fruits of the tomato. I had a crazy idea after watching a documentary called "A Grande Árvore" (The Great Tree in English). It’s about the relationship of a fig tree in Belize and the animals living on it. What do you think of a chapter happening around such a tree somewhere in Amazon or North Panama? It could be a fig tree or something similar. We could describe the animals nesting there, the ones that eat the fruits, the ones that polinize it.
ìåäâåäü: Interesting fish!
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: I'll add these information! Thank you! JOrnitho ïèøåò: I think that it could be a genus with several different species. This is the better variant. JOrnitho ïèøåò: I like it! I think that the name Tuna sapipi is better. Ok! I'm glad you liked the idea! JOrnitho ïèøåò: Maybe the Ao ao peccary could appear on this chapter. I think that it would be like an entelodon, eating meat and plants. Perhaps a group of them is attracted by the fruits of the tomato. I just need the idea of such an animal for the chapter! Thank you! Ao ao, or pecarry-entelodon - what do think about this name? JOrnitho ïèøåò: What do you think of a chapter happening around such a tree somewhere in Amazon or North Panama? It could be a fig tree or something similar. We could describe the animals nesting there, the ones that eat the fruits, the ones that polinize it. What do you think to unite your chapter about fig tree and my idea about South Panama, that i decided to call "The Monkeys brotherhood" http://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-7-1681546986977-00000029-000-10001-0#043.001.001.001 - here I was substantiated the idea and created a list of local animals. It will be very big fig tree, were will be something like brotherhood between differeant species of monkeys, there also will be fruit eating bats, tree rodents, tree oppossums, and peccary and agouti that will collect fallen fruits and fruit eating birds. Pollinators: collibri, bats, insects. Predatory birds and mammals. We will surely make this chapter. But the priority: 1. Catatatumo delta, 2. Maracaibo Gulf, 3. Microwolves. And we will decide what will be the next, because we have already come up with too long a list of chapters.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: This is the better variant. I'll edit the description of the paradise salinopoecilia to remove the sapelko and make a new one for this fish. wovoka ïèøåò: I just need the idea of such an animal for the chapter! Thank you! Ao ao, or pecarry-entelodon - what do think about this name? Maybe we could call it the ferocious peccary rather than the peccary-entelodon. It would be a more unique name. wovoka ïèøåò: What do you think to unite your chapter about fig tree and my idea about South Panama, that i decided to call "The Monkeys brotherhood" http://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-7-1681546986977-00000029-000-10001-0#043.001.001.001 - here I was substantiated the idea and created a list of local animals. It will be very big fig tree, were will be something like brotherhood between differeant species of monkeys, there also will be fruit eating bats, tree rodents, tree oppossums, and peccary and agouti that will collect fallen fruits and fruit eating birds. I like it. A chapter showing the sort of harmony that exist between the monkeys in the forests is interesting. We could also make some species of fig wasps to pollinate the tree.
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: I'll edit the description of the paradise salinopoecilia to remove the sapelko and make a new one for this fish. So what would we do with the ideas of these fishes: A: Itupu-sapelko herbivores fish (itupu - grass in Carib) B: Amòiky-sapelko - planktonvorus fish (Amòiky means "collect many small objects" in Carib ) C: Ìmempìkiwoto-sapelko small fish eating (Ìmempìki – very small; woto - the name of any fish) D: woto-sapelko medium fish eating E: pàporo-sapelko omnivores fish (pàporo - means "everything" in Carib) F: mari-sapelko snails eating fish (mari - snail) JOrnitho ïèøåò: Maybe we could call it the ferocious peccary rather than the peccary-entelodon. It would be a more unique name. I think the name peccary-entelodon clearly describes the essence of the animal. Also we can use Tupinambis, they will be hunting in the in thickets of predatory tomato. I found the creature in mithology of guarani, but I can't found how to translate it's name from russian to guarani or english Viponya This name in the language of the Guarani Indians comes from the words "reptile, snake" and "potato". Viponya is a reptile that lives in potato fields. She looks like a huge lizard and hides in barns, where she finds food for herself. Her favorite foods are mice and spiders. The owner of the viponya is a sorcerer or witch, and the viponya must carry out their tasks. It protects, protects the crop belonging to its owner, and does not allow the spread of diseases that can damage the grown plants. In addition, the viponya is sent to destroy the crops of her sorcerer master's enemies. Taking advantage of the viponya's insatiable appetite, which is played out at night, the owner sends the lizard to the potato fields of some unfortunate person, where it devours potato sprouts, preventing the crop from ripening. The victims of viponya are usually people who have not paid tribute to the sorcerer. Those who paid what they demanded, on the contrary, benefit from the viponya, which protects their potato fields. Viponyi goes into a long hibernation every year and wakes up only when she is very hungry. You have had something about such creature in Guarani mithology and what is the correct name of this creature in Guarani? JOrnitho ïèøåò: We could also make some species of fig wasps to pollinate the tree. Agaonidae are needed!
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: So what would we do with the ideas of these fishes: A: Itupu-sapelko herbivores fish (itupu - grass in Carib) B: Amòiky-sapelko - planktonvorus fish (Amòiky means "collect many small objects" in Carib ) C: Ìmempìkiwoto-sapelko small fish eating (Ìmempìki – very small; woto - the name of any fish) D: woto-sapelko medium fish eating E: pàporo-sapelko omnivores fish (pàporo - means "everything" in Carib) F: mari-sapelko snails eating fish (mari - snail) Maybe we could have some of them being part of a different genus of descendants of livebearers. However, the Amòiky-sapelko already fits the escription of the Paradise salinopoecilia. I could only change the name in the description. The carnivorous (C, D, E, F) could form a genus of piranha-like livebearers, perhaps adapted to salt water. wovoka ïèøåò: You have had something about such creature in Guarani mithology and what is the correct name of this creature in Guarani? Unfortunately, I didn't find anything about it. However, I'm still searching. There is some mythological creatures of the Guarani in this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_mythology. Maybe we could use some of them for species. The name Teju jaguá would be good for a descendant of the Tupinambi, but it's already the name of a genus of Triassic animals (in Teyujagua). I don't know if we could still use its original version as a common name for this Neocenic lizards, but with a different genus to not have a case of replicated name. wovoka ïèøåò: Agaonidae are needed! Yes! They are interesting insects!
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: Unfortunately, I didn't find anything about it. However, I'm still searching. I take the information hear in Russian site: https://4stor.ru/kriptozoologiya/90894-yuzhnoamerikanskie-mificheskie-suschestva.html that mithological creature ¹21 JOrnitho ïèøåò: Maybe we could have some of them being part of a different genus of descendants of livebearers. However, the Amòiky-sapelko already fits the escription of the Paradise salinopoecilia. I could only change the name in the description. The carnivorous (C, D, E, F) could form a genus of piranha-like livebearers, perhaps adapted to salt water. I need to think about it, I'll answer you tomorrow. Ok?
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