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Galliformes and other animals for South America (ïðîäîëæåíèå)
JOrnitho: Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken. [more]Copper jacumitan (Jacumita cuprinus) During the Holocene, the man introduced many species in other continents. The jacumitan is a descendant of domestic chicken (Gallus gallus domesticus) that are introduced in South America. It replaced the birds in the family Cracidae, which are extinct in the Neocene, in some areas. In a matter of fact, the name jacumitan is the junction of the words jacu, the popular name in Brazil for guans of the Genus Penelope, and the tupi word mitã (mitan) that means new, this way the name means “new guan”. The copper jacumitan is the type species of this genus and lives in the savannas and woodlands of Central South America. The copper jacumitan is sexually dysmorphic. The male measure 190 cm, due to the long tail, it has a bright coppery brown upperbody plumage and reddish-brown feathers below. They also have metallic dark green feathers on the tail and wings. Only males have a bright red naked skin on the face, with two wattles that conceal the sides of its head. This characteristic is shared by all males of the genus Jacumita. The males of the genus also have crests formed by white feathers with black tips. During courtship and panic moments, they rise the crests. The females have 75 cm of length and are cryptic brown and adapted to camouflage, its naked skin on the face is pale pink and don’t have flesh wattles. The young males are similar to the females until they reach 9 weeks, at this time the wattle begin to develop. Both sexes have long orange colored legs and grey beak. The males have spurs that they use in fights for dominance. The neck is long and slim. Copper jacumitans can fly, but prefer to run from the predators flying only as last resort. These birds are omnivorous and feed on insects, seeds, and fruits. Its forage for food by scratching the ground, usually near herbivores this way there is other animals observing for the presence of predators. Often the male sits on a high perch, to serve as a lookout for his group. He sounds an alarm call if predators are nearby. At night it will sleep perched on branches. Copper jacumitans are polygamous; the male will have a harem with 5 to 12 females and will guards the area where his females are nesting, and attack other males that enter his territory. To initiate courting, the males will dance in a circle around or near a female, raising their crests and lowering the wing which is closest to the hen. Then, he will vocalize and when she responds to his call, the male will mount her and proceed with the mating. The females make their nest in the ground, laying 6 to 14 red eggs which are incubated for 22 days. Chicks are precocious, leaving the nest shortly they are born. They fledge in about 4 to 5 weeks, and at 13 weeks old are chased out of the group by their mother, at which point the young males start to form a harem and the females join an existing one. Sexual maturity is reached at 6 months and the lifespan of this species is of 13 years, however is common for males to die early due to predation. Other species in the genus Jacumita are: Golden jacumitan (Jacumita aurea) Living in the forests of the Atlantic coast of South America, the males of this species has 200 cm of length, from beak to tail, while the females have 83 cm. The plumage of the male have a bright golden-yellow plumage in the upperparts, being scarlet in the chest and belly. They have dark metallic green wing feathers and tail while the female is cryptic brown. Red jacumitan (Jacumita amazonica) Living in the "terra firme" forests of the Amazon , the males of this species has 185 cm of length, from beak to tail, while females have 70 cm. The plumage of male is bright orange-red in the upperparts, while their chest and belly is yellow. The males also have dark metallic blue wing feathers and tail while the female is cryptic brown. Andean jacumitan (Jacumita andina) Living in the highland forests in the slopes of the Andes, the males of this species has 170 cm of length, from beak to tail, while females have 68 cm. The plumage of the males is white in the upperparts and yellowish-red in the belly and chest. The males also have dark metallic blue wing feathers and tail while the female is cryptic brown. This other one is about a descendant of the californian quail: Common austral grouse (Tetraoinus australis) During the Holocene, the man introduced many exotic species different habitats, the ancestor of the austral grouse was one of these species. Their ancestor was not a true grouse, but the Californian quail, due to evolutionary convergence they acquired characteristics similar to the true grouses of North America. Living in the forests of Southern South America, the male austral grouse are 55 cm long and the female have 44 cm of length. The male have a dark grey body plumage, black-and-white bridled head pattern, black back and a greyish-blue belly. They have a curving crest or plume, made of six feathers that droops forward (long and black in males /short and brown in females) and long forked blackish tail with white undertail coverts. Females and immature birds are mainly greyish-brown with a light-brown belly. Both sexes have a black bill and relatively long grey legs. Their diet consists mainly of seeds and leaves, but they also eat some berries and insects. In some regions their main source of food are the seeds of trees of the Genus Araucaria. These birds are not elegant fliers, however they sleep perched in branches. Given a choice, they will normally escape on foot. During the courtship, the male austral grouse do displays on a lek, each male have a “personal space”. The males strut around their chose space, doing a display. The display consists of the male posturing himself with the head near the ground. Then, they start to move it from right to left showing their crests, simultaneously they raising the tail feathers, showing their withe undertail coverts. After that, they will raise their heads abruptly and whilst make a highly distinctive mating call. When another male invade the personal space of other, a fight happens, in this case the male will try to take of the crest of the rival, this way they will not be capable to display for the females. The female usually lays approximately 12 spotted eggs. The nest is a shallow scrape lined with vegetation on the ground. Incubation lasts from 21–25 days, usually performed by the female and rarely by the male. The chicks are precocial, leaving the nest with their parents within hours of hatching. The male stay with the female until the young leave, with 3 months. The young reach sexual maturity with 1 year, with this age the young males acquire the coloration of an adult male. Their lifespan is of 27 years. In the forests of Tierra del Fuego another species lives, the Black boreal grouse (Tetraoinus nigrus). Their main difference to the other species is that the males have an all-black plumage, with only a faint shade of blue in the chest and brown undertail coverts. The females are similar to that of the common austral grouse. The males have 52 cm and the females 41 cm.[/more] I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.
JOrnitho: There is also the Catatumbo Delta, most of the descendants of freshwater species would live in this area.
ëÿãóøêà: wovoka If Macairobo woll become a gulf, I think it'll be inhabited by Caribbean fauna - ariid catfish and many species livebearers
wovoka: But it doesn't mean that we can try to evolve some local species, adapted over millions of years to life not in fresh lake water, but in oceanic salt water, gradually changing along with the entire lake ecosystem.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: But it doesn't mean that we can try to evolve some local species, adapted over millions of years to life not in fresh lake water, but in oceanic salt water, gradually changing along with the entire lake ecosystem. We could have one of the local schooling fishes evolving to live in freshwater. Also, I saw the discussion about the bear-like mongoose in the Andes and thought if it would be interesting of it having a hyena-like appearance. It would be sort of an Andean "hyena".
JOrnitho: ëÿãóøêà ïèøåò: ariid catfish and many species livebearers I think that the ariid catfishes could become a predator, with a similar appearance to that of a shark.
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: I think that the ariid catfishes could become a predator, with a similar appearance to that of a shark. Yes, i think so too. Also we can use in chapter the bentophag Geophagus steindachneri from Maracaibo lake, it will be the good food for Yara. But we should come up with it some new interesting characteristics And I like the JOrnitho's idea of the fish that could jump to catch birds while they fly. In Maracaibo gulf it can be Ctenolucius hujeta. Also this fish can became oceanic fish and catch fish-eating bats while they fly in Caribbean sea. And also I like the idea of Paracheirodon axelrodi that could be schooling fishes with males being more colorful than the females. They also can became oceanic fish that replace the lanternfishes, that be food for marine fish-eating bats as well as Ëÿãóøêà's glowing squids. ëÿãóøêà ïèøåò: many species livebearers Yes these fishes could occupy a lot of different econiches. For example we can take Poecilia latipinna that came get to the Gulf from Caribbean sea.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: Also we can use in chapter the bentophag Geophagus steindachneri from Maracaibo lake, it will be the good food for Yara. But we should come up with it some new interesting characteristics We could develop the male's protuberance in the head to become a structure used by them in disputes for the females. They could also have strong jaws to crush crabs and shellfishes. wovoka ïèøåò: Also this fish can became oceanic fish and catch fish-eating bats while they fly in Caribbean sea. This a good idea. They could also hunt flying fish this way, if these animals still exist in the Neocene. wovoka ïèøåò: They also can became oceanic fish that replace the lanternfishes, that be food for marine fish-eating bats as well as Ëÿãóøêà's glowing squids. I like this idea. They can form large schools during a certain time of the year to reproduce near coastal areas. Several animals could be attracted by them, bats, sea birds, squids and large fishes. Do you think that they would do diurnal vertical migration? By the way, I had an idea for a large fish (10-15 m) being analogue to the humpback whale, feeding of crustaceans and small fish by gulping them. What do you think of it? Do you have an idea for its ancestor? wovoka ïèøåò: Yes these fishes could occupy a lot of different econiches. For example we can take Poecilia latipinna that came get to the Gulf from Caribbean sea. It could be another schooling species.
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: We could develop the male's protuberance in the head to become a structure used by them in disputes for the females. They could also have strong jaws to crush crabs and shellfishes. Yes, cool idea! JOrnitho ïèøåò: They could also hunt flying fish this way, if these animals still exist in the Neocene. I think they extinct to neocene after plankton catastrophe, because the Exocoetidae feed mainly on plankton. That's why we should make new flying fish species for Carebbean sea. Who will be the ancestor? JOrnitho ïèøåò: It could be another schooling species. Yes. I mean that Paracheirodon axelrodi will become not only schooling but also glowing like laternfish in the night on the water surface. But we need to understand what physiological changes should occur in their organisms. JOrnitho ïèøåò: By the way, I had an idea for a large fish (10-15 m) being analogue to the humpback whale, feeding of crustaceans and small fish by gulping them. What do you think of it? Do you have an idea for its ancestor? There is already such a fish: dreadnought-fish (Pseudoleedsichthys vastus) https://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-0-1680880673501-00000177-000-10001-0#013 in Russian So what fishes we at last decided to include in the chapter about Maracaibo gulf. As I understand: 1. ariid catfish - a predator from Caribbean sea, with a similar appearance to that of a shark. 2. bentophag Geophagus steindachneri (endemic of Maracaibo lake), it will be the good food for Yara (with developed the male's protuberance in the head to become a structure used by them in disputes for the females. They could also have strong jaws to crush crabs and shellfishes). 3. Ctenolucius hujeta (endemic of Maracaibo lake) the fish that could jump to catch birds while they fly, it also will became oceanic fish and catch fish-eating bats and marine birds while they fly in Caribbean sea. 4. Paracheirodon axelrodi (the fish from Orinoco river) that became oceanic schooling fish (and then get to the gulf) with males being more colorful than the females, they also will became oceanic glowing fishes that replace the lanternfishes, that be food for marine fish-eating bats and marine birds. 5. Poecilia latipinna - schooling marine species from Caribbean sea (we can make some subspecies (as more as you wish ) for the gulf with different econiches: herbivores, planktivores, small and medium predators). Any other ideas? Or this is enough? The fishes you have earlier described could be used in the future chapter about the delta of Orinoco. JOrnitho ïèøåò: Also, I saw the discussion about the bear-like mongoose in the Andes and thought if it would be interesting of it having a hyena-like appearance. It would be sort of an Andean "hyena". I just want to make the biggest oppossum as possible, and this is the only place in South America to make it. And hyena-like opossum (Phascohyaena tigrina) is alredy made for the deserts of North America.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: I think they extinct to neocene after plankton catastrophe, because the Exocoetidae feed mainly on plankton. That's why we should make new flying fish species for Carebbean sea. Who will be the ancestor? What do you think if we make one of descendants of the Poecilia latipinna as the new flying fishes? This could suit for the chapter of bats and we could make its "wings" different from the Holocene flying fish. wovoka ïèøåò: There is already such a fish: dreadnought-fish (Pseudoleedsichthys vastus) https://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-0-1680880673501-00000177-000-10001-0#013 in Russian I'm aware of it. I only thought that while this species feeds on plankton, there could be another that feed on small schooling fishes and sometimes crustaceans. It would be like how there is several species of whale in the Holocene and they have different niches. For example, humpback whales are generalists, feeding of fish and krill, while gray whales feed of benthic invertebrates. Another large fish could exist, but with a different niche. wovoka ïèøåò: Any other ideas? Or this is enough? I think that it's enough. I'm not an expert in fish, but I'll try to write the descriptions.wovoka ïèøåò: I just want to make the biggest oppossum as possible, and this is the only place in South America to make it. And hyena-like opossum (Phascohyaena tigrina) is alredy made for the deserts of North America. I meant a hyena-like mongoose, but we can have the bear-like opossum in its place. Maybe it could appear in a chapter about the migration of Andean antelope, a descendant of goats living in the Altiplano that I proposed some time ago.
ëÿãóøêà: wovoka ariid catfish Good idea! Geophagus steindachneri Durophagous cichlid will be good species of fish. I think it should evolve very strong jaws with big blunt tooth, or tetraodontiform-like "beak". Ctenolucius hujeta I think this fish is exctinct in Neocene, if pyrrhulinas were able to become pikes. Paracheirodon axelrodi as lanternfish What? Cardinal tetras live in southern part of Amazon basin, an dhey don't glow. Their blue stripes are jnly opalescent and stop shimmering when light switches off. Poecilia latipinna I described Salinopoecilia affinis - schooling livebearer of Caribbean Sea. I think thet you should use it. JOrnitho What do you think if we make one of descendants of the Poecilia latipinna as the new flying fishes? This could suit for the chapter of bats and we could make its "wings" different from the Holocene flying fish. We alrready hawe gliding livebearers(Thoracilia volans) into "Pirates of Caribbean sea" chapter.
JOrnitho: ëÿãóøêà ïèøåò: What? Cardinal tetras live in southern part of Amazon basin, an dhey don't glow. Their blue stripes are jnly opalescent and stop shimmering when light switches off. Yeah, descendants of the cardinal tetra (if they even evolve to live in salt water) would be more like coastal schooling fishes. Similar to tangs, royal grammas and angelfish. ëÿãóøêà ïèøåò: I described Salinopoecilia affinis - schooling livebearer of Caribbean Sea. I think thet you should use it. Can I see the description? Do you think that we could have a species of livebearer doing vertical movements? Staying in deep waters during the day and going close to the surface during the night, following their planktonic prey. The firefly squids would follow them during it. ëÿãóøêà ïèøåò: We alrready hawe gliding livebearers(Thoracilia volans) into "Pirates of Caribbean sea" chapter. Perfect, we can mention it in the chapter. Perhaps we could even make another species of the same genus. Also, is there a species that fill the tuna's niche of fast predator?
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: What do you think if we make one of descendants of the Poecilia latipinna as the new flying fishes? This could suit for the chapter of bats and we could make its "wings" different from the Holocene flying fish. Ok! JOrnitho ïèøåò: I'm aware of it. I only thought that while this species feeds on plankton, there could be another that feed on small schooling fishes and sometimes crustaceans. It would be like how there is several species of whale in the Holocene and they have different niches. For example, humpback whales are generalists, feeding of fish and krill, while gray whales feed of benthic invertebrates. Another large fish could exist, but with a different niche. May be it could be. And if we have a tradition to use names of ships for such big fishes galleon-fish, dreadnought-fish. Let it be frigate-fish But we discussed that physiologically fish couldn't be more then 16,5 m, it can be a lit bit bigger but it would be too slow and clumsy. JOrnitho ïèøåò: I think that it's enough. I'm not an expert in fish, but I'll try to write the descriptions. Ok, thank you! JOrnitho ïèøåò: I meant a hyena-like mongoose, but we can have the bear-like opossum in its place. Maybe it could appear in a chapter about the migration of Andean antelope, a descendant of goats living in the Altiplano that I proposed some time ago. I remember about this idea. But I just wanted to combine in one place the two largest (bear-likes) representatives of these two competing in neocene South America families: Didelphidae and Herpestidae. Bear-like mongoose can be very fast and hardy. Hyena-like mongoose also can be settled in some South American desert. I just think we also need some plants in the chapter about Maracaibo gulf. One of them will be Sea spinach (Thalassolatucca crystallophylla) http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/2pircarb.htm and second Ocumo - Xanthosoma sagittifolium - with edible leaves, stems and tubers. Huge thickets of this plant will grow around the entire lake and all local herbivores will come to eat it, especially barocavias and cabiai-pyinko. Ocumo is the name of this plant in Panare language, which belongs to the Carib family. JOrnitho ïèøåò: What do you think if we make one of descendants of the Poecilia latipinna as the new flying fishes? This could suit for the chapter of bats and we could make its "wings" different from the Holocene flying fish. Ok! JOrnitho ïèøåò: I'm aware of it. I only thought that while this species feeds on plankton, there could be another that feed on small schooling fishes and sometimes crustaceans. It would be like how there is several species of whale in the Holocene and they have different niches. For example, humpback whales are generalists, feeding of fish and krill, while gray whales feed of benthic invertebrates. Another large fish could exist, but with a different niche. May be it could be. And if we have a tradition to use names of ships for such big fishes galleon-fish, dreadnought-fish. Let it be frigate-fish But we discussed that physiologically fish couldn't be more then 16,5 m, it can be a lit bit bigger but it would be too slow and clumsy. JOrnitho ïèøåò: I think that it's enough. I'm not an expert in fish, but I'll try to write the descriptions. Ok, thank you! JOrnitho ïèøåò: I meant a hyena-like mongoose, but we can have the bear-like opossum in its place. Maybe it could appear in a chapter about the migration of Andean antelope, a descendant of goats living in the Altiplano that I proposed some time ago. I remember about this idea. But I just wanted to combine in one place the two largest (bear-likes) representatives of these two competing in neocene South America families: Didelphidae and Herpestidae. Bear-like mongoose can be very fast and hardy. Hyena-like mongoose also can be settled in some South American desert. I just think we also need some plants in the chapter about Maracaibo gulf. One of them will be Sea spinach (Thalassolatucca crystallophylla) http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/2pircarb.htm and second Ocumo - Xanthosoma sagittifolium - with edible leaves, stems and tubers. Huge thickets of this plant will grow around the entire lake and all local herbivores will come to eat it, especially barocavias and cabiai-pyinko. Ocumo is the name of this plant in Panare language, which belongs to the Carib family. Ëÿãóøêà, don't forget this two fishes: Geophagus steindachneri and Ctenolucius hujeta evolved very long time in a separate water reservoir, indipendently of the ichthyofauna of the Caribbean Sea. Therefore, they will be able to survive and, I think, resist invasive species from the see. And I like the characteristics that JOrnitho wants to develop in them. The first gnawing on crabs and shellfish and fighting with it's "horn"; the second catch flying birds in a throw. Therefore, we can leave them in the chapter about the Gulf of Maracaibo. I think Ctenolucius hujeta will be bigger then pyrrhulinas-pikes and could compete with them in the sea: therefore he has absolutely different econich: catching flying birds that are hunting on schooling small fishes. Although... it is absolutely not important from whom to derive the forms necessary for the chapter. If Durophagous cichlid could became the absolutely the same form as we wanted from Geophagus steindachneri, so let it be. If it will be a species of pikes-like pyrrhulinas that will be able to catch flying birds in the throw, so let it be. If your schooling fish Salinopoecilia affinis will be able to make some subspecies in the gulf with different econiches: herbivores, planktivores, small and medium predators, so let it be. Schooling cardinal tetras also is gould idea. And with ariid catfish this is really enough for the chapter. But i need not only glowing squid, I need the fish that could replace laternfish in Caribbean sea for my fisheating bats. But who can be the ansector?
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: May be it could be. And if we have a tradition to use names of ships for such big fishes galleon-fish, dreadnought-fish. Let it be frigate-fish But we discussed that physiologically fish couldn't be more then 16,5 m, it can be a lit bit bigger but it would be too slow and clumsy. I like this name! I thought that their size would be 15 m at maximum, so they'll be very slow. This is why I think that feeding like the gray whale would be better for it, since the prey will stay in the mud. It would scoop up sediments from the sea floor in coastal areas. Do you think that it’s mouth could have some type of specialization? This species could feed in the Artic and Antartic, while reproducing in warm waters, such as the Caribbean sea and Gulf of Mexico. Maybe their reproduction could appear in the bat chapter? Another important question is, who could be its ancestor? wovoka ïèøåò: I just think we also need some plants in the chapter about Maracaibo gulf. One of them will be Sea spinach (Thalassolatucca crystallophylla) http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/2pircarb.htm and second Ocumo - Xanthosoma sagittifolium - with edible leaves, stems and tubers. Huge thickets of this plant will grow around the entire lake and all local herbivores will come to eat it, especially barocavias and cabiai-pyinko. Ocumo is the name of this plant in Panare language, which belongs to the Carib family. We could have some water flowers in the Catatumbo Delta.
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: Another important question is, who could be its ancestor? Ëÿãóøêà is specialist in fishes. Maybe he can answer? JOrnitho ïèøåò: We could have some water flowers in the Catatumbo Delta. It can be usual Nymphaea alba invasive from Europe but it can evolve to the form of Victoria amazonica (we will call it Mureru - waterlily in Carib). I have chosen the names of fishes 1. Typanake-tunu (Typanake means catfish, tunu means shark in carib) 2. Wentameke-arawana (in carib language this name means “in eating habits similar to fish arawana) Arawana (Osteoglossum bicirrhosum) it is a fish also called 'water monkey' because of its ability to jump out of the water and capture its prey. It usually swims near the water surface waiting for potential prey. Although specimens have been found with the remains of birds, bats, mice, and snakes in their stomachs, its main diet consists of snails, crustaceans (such as crabs), insects (such as beetles), spiders, smaller fish, and other animals that float on the water surface, which its drawbridge-like mouth is exclusively adapted for feeding on. It will be the name of bird and bat catching fish from Maracaibo Gulf and Caribbean sea from family: Predatory live-bearers (Rapaciliidae) relative to "Pike live-bearer (Sphyraenesia ferox)" from chapter http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/2pircarb.htm. 3. Ari-Tukunare (in carib language Ari means shellfish and Tukunare is name of Cichla ocellaris (Cichlidae)) by it’s form it’s a little bit similar to Geophagus steindachneri. Cichla ocellaris will be the ansector of this species. Ari-Tukunare will be the name of Ëÿãóøêà's "Durophagous cichlid" that will evolve very strong jaws with big blunt tooth and whith developed the male's protuberance in the head to become a structure used by them in disputes for the females (like we want do with Geophagus steindachneri). 4. The descendents of Ëÿãóøêà's schooling Salinopoecilia marinis https://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-0-1680916744566-00000177-000-10001-0#111 that get into the gulf will call Sapelko (it is carib name of Poecilia parae, maybe it will be the ansector of Salinopoecilia marinis) I think that fishes will occupy a lot of nishes and have several subspecies: A: Itupu-sapelko herbivores fish (itupu - grass in Carib) B: Amòiky-sapelko - planktonvorus fish (Amòiky means "collect many small objects" in Carib ) C: Ìmempìkiwoto-sapelko small fish eating (Ìmempìki – very small; woto - the name of any fish) D: woto-sapelko medium fish eating E: pàporo-sapelko omnivores fish (pàporo - means "everything" in Carib) F: mari-sapelko snails eating fish (mari - snail) Kariwiri - the Carib name off unknown fish from the Characidae family, this name we will give to scooling cardinal tetra.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: It can be usual Nymphaea alba invasive from Europe but it can evolve to the form of Victoria amazonica (we will call it Mureru - waterlily in Carib). Yes! It could have a large and colorful flowers. What do yo think of it being pink with reddish tips? Perhaps one of the local fish could lay its eggs in these plants. wovoka ïèøåò: I have chosen the names of fishes I like these fishes! I work on descriptions for them.
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: Yes! It could have a large and colorful flowers. What do yo think of it being pink with reddish tips? Perhaps one of the local fish could lay its eggs in these plants. Good ideas! JOrnitho ïèøåò: I like these fishes! I work on descriptions for them. Ok, thank you! I'm working on descriptions of two turtles. And don't forget about sea opossum: descendant of Didelphis marsupialis, which will become aquatic like Chironectes minimus (but living in salt water) and snakes-eating, and we call him Parana-aware (sea opossum in carib language), but he will live only in the gulf Maracaibo.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: And don't forget about sea opossum: descendant of Didelphis marsupialis, which will become aquatic like Chironectes minimus (but living in salt water) and snakes-eating, and we call him Parana-aware (sea opossum in carib language), but he will live only in the gulf Maracaibo. Ok! I'll also work on it.
ìåäâåäü: Perhaps one of the local fish could lay its eggs in these plants. I have not heard about fish laying their eggs only on a particular species of plant.
wovoka: ìåäâåäü ïèøåò: I have not heard about fish laying their eggs only on a particular species of plant. Then we should come up with with specific form of symbiosis between the plant and the fish. May be it is a absolutely crazy idea but may be fish fry will be a kind of pollinators of the flowers. Or we should find another form of symbiosis.
wovoka: I've found the form of symbiosis. In the flowers of waterlily will be living female of local mantis the oviposit there and in the same time hunting on the bees that pollinating the flowers. The fish will be eating mantis before spawning and fish fry will eat mantis eggs. The mantis female will be very productive to oviposit as more eggs, then at list several eggs stay uneaten by fry. The ancestor of mantis will be Stagmatoptera septentrionalis or may be better Choeradodis rhombicollis (but it's live far from Maracaibo lake, but may be it will migrate to that region). But it will look like Pseudocreobotra wahlbergii or even more beautiful like a water lily petal. Parare - mantid in Carib language. Wano - melipona bee in Carib language. (ancestor will be Melipona favosa) In arawak language Melipona favosa is called Maba what is translated honey May be I'll describe the bee.
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