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JOrnitho: Hello! I'm back with ideas for some new species for South America. I found in my computer an archive with some ideas for fauna and flora that I had some time ago and decided to show there to ask your opinion about them. The first is about a descendant of the domestic chicken. [more]Copper jacumitan (Jacumita cuprinus) During the Holocene, the man introduced many species in other continents. The jacumitan is a descendant of domestic chicken (Gallus gallus domesticus) that are introduced in South America. It replaced the birds in the family Cracidae, which are extinct in the Neocene, in some areas. In a matter of fact, the name jacumitan is the junction of the words jacu, the popular name in Brazil for guans of the Genus Penelope, and the tupi word mitã (mitan) that means new, this way the name means “new guan”. The copper jacumitan is the type species of this genus and lives in the savannas and woodlands of Central South America. The copper jacumitan is sexually dysmorphic. The male measure 190 cm, due to the long tail, it has a bright coppery brown upperbody plumage and reddish-brown feathers below. They also have metallic dark green feathers on the tail and wings. Only males have a bright red naked skin on the face, with two wattles that conceal the sides of its head. This characteristic is shared by all males of the genus Jacumita. The males of the genus also have crests formed by white feathers with black tips. During courtship and panic moments, they rise the crests. The females have 75 cm of length and are cryptic brown and adapted to camouflage, its naked skin on the face is pale pink and don’t have flesh wattles. The young males are similar to the females until they reach 9 weeks, at this time the wattle begin to develop. Both sexes have long orange colored legs and grey beak. The males have spurs that they use in fights for dominance. The neck is long and slim. Copper jacumitans can fly, but prefer to run from the predators flying only as last resort. These birds are omnivorous and feed on insects, seeds, and fruits. Its forage for food by scratching the ground, usually near herbivores this way there is other animals observing for the presence of predators. Often the male sits on a high perch, to serve as a lookout for his group. He sounds an alarm call if predators are nearby. At night it will sleep perched on branches. Copper jacumitans are polygamous; the male will have a harem with 5 to 12 females and will guards the area where his females are nesting, and attack other males that enter his territory. To initiate courting, the males will dance in a circle around or near a female, raising their crests and lowering the wing which is closest to the hen. Then, he will vocalize and when she responds to his call, the male will mount her and proceed with the mating. The females make their nest in the ground, laying 6 to 14 red eggs which are incubated for 22 days. Chicks are precocious, leaving the nest shortly they are born. They fledge in about 4 to 5 weeks, and at 13 weeks old are chased out of the group by their mother, at which point the young males start to form a harem and the females join an existing one. Sexual maturity is reached at 6 months and the lifespan of this species is of 13 years, however is common for males to die early due to predation. Other species in the genus Jacumita are: Golden jacumitan (Jacumita aurea) Living in the forests of the Atlantic coast of South America, the males of this species has 200 cm of length, from beak to tail, while the females have 83 cm. The plumage of the male have a bright golden-yellow plumage in the upperparts, being scarlet in the chest and belly. They have dark metallic green wing feathers and tail while the female is cryptic brown. Red jacumitan (Jacumita amazonica) Living in the "terra firme" forests of the Amazon , the males of this species has 185 cm of length, from beak to tail, while females have 70 cm. The plumage of male is bright orange-red in the upperparts, while their chest and belly is yellow. The males also have dark metallic blue wing feathers and tail while the female is cryptic brown. Andean jacumitan (Jacumita andina) Living in the highland forests in the slopes of the Andes, the males of this species has 170 cm of length, from beak to tail, while females have 68 cm. The plumage of the males is white in the upperparts and yellowish-red in the belly and chest. The males also have dark metallic blue wing feathers and tail while the female is cryptic brown. This other one is about a descendant of the californian quail: Common austral grouse (Tetraoinus australis) During the Holocene, the man introduced many exotic species different habitats, the ancestor of the austral grouse was one of these species. Their ancestor was not a true grouse, but the Californian quail, due to evolutionary convergence they acquired characteristics similar to the true grouses of North America. Living in the forests of Southern South America, the male austral grouse are 55 cm long and the female have 44 cm of length. The male have a dark grey body plumage, black-and-white bridled head pattern, black back and a greyish-blue belly. They have a curving crest or plume, made of six feathers that droops forward (long and black in males /short and brown in females) and long forked blackish tail with white undertail coverts. Females and immature birds are mainly greyish-brown with a light-brown belly. Both sexes have a black bill and relatively long grey legs. Their diet consists mainly of seeds and leaves, but they also eat some berries and insects. In some regions their main source of food are the seeds of trees of the Genus Araucaria. These birds are not elegant fliers, however they sleep perched in branches. Given a choice, they will normally escape on foot. During the courtship, the male austral grouse do displays on a lek, each male have a “personal space”. The males strut around their chose space, doing a display. The display consists of the male posturing himself with the head near the ground. Then, they start to move it from right to left showing their crests, simultaneously they raising the tail feathers, showing their withe undertail coverts. After that, they will raise their heads abruptly and whilst make a highly distinctive mating call. When another male invade the personal space of other, a fight happens, in this case the male will try to take of the crest of the rival, this way they will not be capable to display for the females. The female usually lays approximately 12 spotted eggs. The nest is a shallow scrape lined with vegetation on the ground. Incubation lasts from 21–25 days, usually performed by the female and rarely by the male. The chicks are precocial, leaving the nest with their parents within hours of hatching. The male stay with the female until the young leave, with 3 months. The young reach sexual maturity with 1 year, with this age the young males acquire the coloration of an adult male. Their lifespan is of 27 years. In the forests of Tierra del Fuego another species lives, the Black boreal grouse (Tetraoinus nigrus). Their main difference to the other species is that the males have an all-black plumage, with only a faint shade of blue in the chest and brown undertail coverts. The females are similar to that of the common austral grouse. The males have 52 cm and the females 41 cm.[/more] I also have in this archive some names for possible species that I never developed bayond some few facts. Maybe someone could help me make their descriptions.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: JOrnitho, I'm sorry, I'll be busy these days. I'll ask you in Wednesday evening. Ok? Ok!
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: Since the local coypu is going to be a basal form of algocetus, the Holochilus could replace them as the local large water rat. Or it could remain with the same niche, but with the webbing in the feet more developed. A diving rat that search for algae and plants underwater. Perhaps a local plant could offer a food source that makes diving necessary. I think we will better make coypu as protosiren fraasi but smaller and holochilus a smaller version of prorastomus. I think Lycalopex gymnocercus may be like dhole with color like Lycaon pictus but he will be individual. And local uktena will become like Aenocyon dirus guildayi making little packs ( max 10 uktenas) JOrnitho ïèøåò: Would it be a grebe that becomes pink by feeding of local crustaceans I think yes! Leopardus pajeros will be specialized on hunting on social tuco-tucos (pseudomarmots)
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: I think we will better make coypu as protosiren fraasi but smaller and holochilus a smaller version of prorastomus. I agree with the idea of the coypu being similar to protosiren, but I don’t think that holochilus would be able to have the niche of prorastomus. It’s too similar to that of the coypu. This is why I suggested the Holochilus' descendant being like beaver, since the coypus of the region would have evolved to fill a sirenian niche. wovoka ïèøåò: I think Lycalopex gymnocercus may be like dhole with color like Lycaon pictus but he will be individual. And local uktena will become like Aenocyon dirus guildayi making little packs ( max 10 uktenas) Ok! wovoka ïèøåò: Leopardus pajeros will be specialized on hunting on social tuco-tucos (pseudomarmots) Good idea! It would be able to swim after the tuco-tucos if they try to escape through the water. By the way, I don’t think that the existence of a descendant of the ocelot in Maracaibo Gulf and nearby areas would be possible. The jaguarete already exists and fills its niche, unless we consider the Awaruwape as a subspecies.
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: niche of prorastomus. It’s too similar to that of the coypu. JOrnitho, I don't think these niches are similar. Holochilus-prorastomus could be eating grass on the banks of the lake and eat Algae in the water, he will bigger then coypu with length 1,2-1,3 m with tail - 0,5 m with tall 70 cm. With muzzle 30 cm. Smooth-haired. And better social to be able to have a protection from predators. It's more interesting animal form than beaver, don't you agree? JOrnitho ïèøåò: since the coypus of the region would have evolved to fill a sirenian niche. protosirenian! It will have flippers instead of front legs and will remain hind legs. JOrnitho ïèøåò: It would be able to swim after the tuco-tucos if they try to escape through the water. Yes! JOrnitho ïèøåò: By the way, I don’t think that the existence of a descendant of the ocelot in Maracaibo Gulf and nearby areas would be possible. The jaguarete already exists and fills its niche, unless we consider the Awaruwape as a subspecies. Awaruwape may differ slightly, having webbed feet and flaps in its ears and nostrils for diving. It will be endemic to Maracaibo and the surrounding region. By the way, do you think we can get some unique fauna in the peninsula of South Panama and the surrounding region to the Andes?
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: It's more interesting animal form than beaver, don't you agree? This is true. By feeding in the banks of the lake and the coypu feeding at the center, they could avoid the niche of each other. wovoka ïèøåò: Awaruwape may differ slightly, having webbed feet and flaps in its ears and nostrils for diving. It will be endemic to Maracaibo and the surrounding region. In this case, I think that it’s existence is possible. It could be specialized in hunting the barocavia and the capybara-like guinea pig. Maybe the Awaruwape could share the genus with Jaguarete? By the way, I'm working at the description of the animals of Maracaibo Gulf, already finished the Yara. I want to post all of them together. wovoka ïèøåò: By the way, do you think we can get some unique fauna in the peninsula of South Panama and the surrounding region to the Andes? It would be interesting. Maybe the Andes could cause the isolation of some species? What do you think of a local species of peccary?
ìåäâåäü: It will be endemic to Maracaibo and the surrounding region. Felines usually have a large distribution unless they are on an island. The only exception is the kodkod, which is endemic to the Valdivian temperate rainforests, being restricted by Andes in the east, the Chilean Matorral in the north and the Magellanic subpolar forests in the south. I do not think that a feline with a so small distribution could evolve in Maracaibo area - Venezuelan Andes are not that high.
wovoka: Then Awaruwape will be more aquatic subspesies of Jaguarete (that could swim in sea water) with such areal:
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: Then Awaruwape will be more aquatic subspesies of Jaguarete (that could swim in sea water) with such areal: If you still want it to be new species, then it could be smaller like a fishing cat. However, more adapted to swim. An animal like that would be suitable to the flooded forests of Amazon. By the way, what do you think of having the ambulocetus-like descendant of the Procyon cancrivorus being the one called tapiraiaura? It would live in the Amazon, like the folklore creature and be an apex predator. It could be the one hunting barocavias.
ìåäâåäü: Then Awaruwape will be more aquatic subspesies of Jaguarete (that could swim in sea water) with such areal: This looks better! But what limits its distribution in the southeast? The edge of the Guianan shield?
wovoka: ìåäâåäü ïèøåò: The edge of the Guianan shield? Let it be! JOrnitho ïèøåò: It would be interesting. Maybe the Andes could cause the isolation of some species? I looked, the mammalian fauna in Southern Panama is quite unique, but there are a lot of vulnerable or already endangered species. So I made a list of mammalian species of southern Panama with LC status. There are a lot of different types of small rodents, from which we can try to make something bigger in this region. Unfortunately, a huge number of species of local monkeys are endangered, but I would like to devote a chapter about this region to monkeys. I was interested in one quote about the relationship between different types of monkeys in Panama and other animal species. This idea could be developed somehow. Interspecific interactions The Panamanian white-faced capuchin sometimes interacts with other sympatric monkey species. Panamanian white-faced capuchins sometimes travel with and even groom Geoffroy's spider monkeys. However, aggressive interactions between the capuchins and spider monkeys also occur. Interactions between the Panamanian white-faced capuchin and mantled howler are infrequent, and sometimes result in the capuchins threatening the larger howlers. However, affiliative associations between the capuchins and howlers do sometimes occur, mostly involving juveniles playing together. Although South American capuchin species often travel with and feed together with squirrel monkeys, the Panamanian white-faced capuchin only rarely associates with the Central American squirrel monkey. This appears to be related to the patchier, more dispersed distribution of food resources in Central America and the fact that there is less dietary overlap between the Central American squirrel monkey and the white-faced capuchin than between their South American counterparts. Therefore, there is less benefit to the Central American squirrel monkey in associating with the Panamanian white-faced capuchin in order to exploit the capuchin's knowledge of food resource distribution. In addition, compared to their South American counterparts, male Panamanian white-headed capuchins are relatively more alert to rival males than to predators, reducing the predator detection benefits that the Central American squirrel monkey receives from associating with the Panamanian white-faced capuchin compared to its South American counterparts. Since the squirrel monkeys generally initiate interactions with the capuchins in South America, the fact that similar associations would impose higher foraging costs and impart fewer predator detection benefits to the Central American squirrel monkey leads to fewer associations with the Panamanian white-faced capuchin. Several non-primate animal species tend to follow troops of white-faced monkeys or are otherwise attracted by their presence. white-lipped peccaries and agoutis are attracted by feeding white-faced capuchins, looking for fruit that the capuchins drop. Several species of bird are also known to follow Panamanian white-faced capuchins looking for food. These include the double-toothed kite, the white hawk and the sharp-shinned hawk. List of modern mammals of South Panama with status LC Opossums 1. Marmosa robinsoni 2. Monodelphis adusta 3. Metachirus nudicaudatus 4. Philander opossum 5. Chironectes minimus Monkeys 1. Saguinus geoffroyi 2. Cebus capucinus capucinus (this subspecies have chance to survive) 3. Cebus albifrons 3. Saimiri is vulnerable in south Panama (Saimiri sciureus or Saimiri cassiquiarensis may be can came from Columbia) 4. Aotus trivirgatus 5. Alouatta is vulnerable in south Panama (Alouatta seniculus may be can came from Columbia) 6. All species off family Atelidae are endangered may be some species of momkeys cold take there niche 7. Saguinus inustus, Leontocebus nigricollis, Leontocebus fuscicollis, Callithrix pygmaea, Sapajus apella, Cheracebus lugens, Cacajao melanocephalus, Pithecia monachus, Aotus vociferans (may be some of them can come from Southern Columbia) Rodents 1. Coendou mexicanus 2. Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris 3. Dasyprocta punctata 4. Cuniculus paca 5. Diplomys labilis 6. Hoplomys gymnurus (This is a very interesting spiny animal related to nutria. If we make it aquatic, then we can get something like an aquatic porcupine, if we make it arboreal, then we can get something like a prickly squirrel or even a prickly monkey.) 7. Proechimys semispinosus 8. Microsciurus alfari 9. Notosciurus granatensis 10. Sciurus variegatoides 11. Orthogeomys cavator 12. Heteromys australis 13. Heteromys desmarestianus 14. Nyctomys sumichrasti 15. Nyctomys sumichrasti 16. Tylomys watsoni 17. Peromyscus mexicanus saxatilis (North Panama) 18. Scotinomys teguina (North Panama) - singing rat (may be will make something like howling microwolf? ) 19. Scotinomys xerampelinus (North Panama) - singing rat 20. Ichthyomys tweedii - crab-eating rat (very rare in Panama, may be Ichthyomys hydrobates will come from Columbia or Maracaibo region) 21. Melanomys caliginosus 22. Oecomys bicolor 23. Oecomys trinitatis 24. Oligoryzomys fulvescens 25. Nephelomys albigularis 26. Handleyomys alfaroi 27. Transandinomys bolivaris 28. Oryzomys couesi - semiaquatic rodent 29. Transandinomys talamancae 30. Rheomys raptor (semiaquatic predatory rodent of North Panama) 31. Rheomys underwoodi (semiaquatic rodent of North Panama) 32. Sigmodon hirsutus 33. Sigmodontomys alfari (semiaquatic rodent) 34. Zygodontomys brevicauda Leporidae 1. Sylvilagus floridanus Soricidae 1. Cryptotis parva (North Panama) Chiroptera (we will choose only some of them: the most interesting) 1. Noctilio leporinus mastivus 2. Noctilio albiventris 3. Myotis albescens 4. Myotis keaysi pilosatibialis 5. Myotis nigricans 6. Myotis riparius 7. Eptesicus brasiliensis 8. Eptesicus furinalis 9. Eptesicus fuscus 10. Lasiurus blossevillii 11. Dasypterus ega 12. Cynomops planirostris 13. Eumops auripendulus auripendulus 14. Eumops bonariensis nanus 15. Eumops glaucinus 16. Eumops hansae 17. Molossus rufus 18. Molossus currentium 19. Molossus sinaloae 20. Nyctinomops laticaudatus 21. Promops centralis 22. Cormura brevirostris 23. Diclidurus albus 24. Peropteryx macrotis 25. Rhynchonycteris naso 26. Saccopteryx bilineata 27. Saccopteryx leptura 28. Pteronotus gymnonotus 29. Pteronotus parnellii 30. Pteronotus personatus 31. Chrotopterus auritus 32. Lampronycteris brachyotis 33. Lonchorhina aurita 34. Lophostoma brasiliense 35. Lophostoma silvicolum silvicolum 36. Macrophyllum macrophyllum 37. Micronycteris hirsuta 38. Micronycteris minuta 39. Micronycteris schmidtorum 40. Mimon crenulatum 41. Phylloderma stenops 42. Phyllostomus discolor 43. Phyllostomus hastatus 44. Tonatia saurophila 45. Trachops cirrhosus 46. Trinycteris nicefori 47. Lionycteris spurrelli 48. Lonchophylla robusta 49. Lonchophylla thomasi 50. Anoura cultrata 51. Anoura geoffroyi 52. Glossophaga commissarisi 53. Glossophaga soricina 54. Hylonycteris underwoodi 55. Lichonycteris obscura 56. Carollia brevicauda 57. Carollia castanea 58. Carollia perspicillata 59. Ametrida centurio 60. Dermanura azteca (North Panama) 61. Artibeus lituratus 62. Artibeus jamaicensis 63. Artibeus lituratus 64. Dermanura phaeotis 65. Dermanura tolteca 66. Centurio senex 67. Chiroderma salvini 68. Chiroderma trinitatum 69. Chiroderma villosum 70. Enchisthenes hartii 71. Mesophylla macconnelli 72. Sturnira lilium 73. Sturnira luisi 74. Sturnira mordax (North Panama) 75. Uroderma bilobatum 76. Uroderma magnirostrum 77. Vampyriscus nymphaea 78. Vampyrodes caraccioli 79. Platyrrhinus dorsalis 80. Platyrrhinus helleri 81. Platyrrhinus vittatus 82. Thyroptera tricolor 83. Thyroptera discifera 84. Furipterus horrens Vampires (i think we will use them) 84. Desmodus rotundus 85. Diaemus youngi Carnivora 1. Herpailurus yagouaroundi 2. Leopardus wiedii (vulnerable but may be here he will survive) 3. Leopardus pardalis 4. Canis latrans 5. Urocyon cinereoargenteus 6. Nasua narica (may be here it will bear like animal, like Melursus ursinus). 7. Potos flavus 8. Bassaricyon gabbii 9. Bassariscus sumichrasti (North Panama) 10. Procyon cancrivorus 11. Eira barbara sinuensis 12. Galictis vittata 13. Mustela frenata 14. Conepatus semistriatus Tayassuidae 1. Pecari tajacu Not mammals Predatory birds (we can use them with relationships with monkeys) Pseudastur albicollis costaricensis Harpagus bidentatus fasciatus Accipiter striatus Also it will be interesting to make a chapter about migrating along the islands and seashores of Carrebean sea and Mexican Gulf fish-eating or shrimp-eating Noctilio leporinus mastivus or Noctilio albiventris, that could be fishing sea bat, and could swim, and may be dive into the water folding it wings, like seagulls, catching small fishes and krill. swimming bat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62T-Ht_jWHE https://vladnews.ru/2012-08-03/42703/redkiy_letuchih "Japanese scientists are trying to find a rare species of bats that feed on krill in the South Kuriles. At sunset, these bats fold their wings and, like seagulls, dive into the water, catching krill. They tend to sit on fishing buoys in the sea. Scientists have discovered this kind of bats on the Japanese island Hokkaido, in their opinion, we should have the same bats. According to Japanese colleagues, this type of bats is nowhere else in the world." We have in neocene two fish eating bat species http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/2islocea.htm#pseudonoctilio_laroides_en http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/2inselva.htm#latiodon_paludiphilus_en A lot of bats migrating across the sea catching the insects in air and crustaceans in the surface waters https://academic.oup.com/jmammal/article/90/6/1318/898402 The ways of migrations across the sea waters of neocene sea Greater Bulldog Bat or Lesser bulldog bat (may be the last one could dive folding their wings for cathing shrimp, like the rare bats of Hokkaido)
wovoka: If you still want it to be new species, then it could be smaller like a fishing cat. However, more adapted to swim. An animal like that would be suitable to the flooded forests of Amazon. We can make this smaller like fishing cat animal, suitable to the flooded forests of Amazon, from yagouaroundi - it's swim very good. By the way, what do you think of having the ambulocetus-like descendant of the Procyon cancrivorus being the one called tapiraiaura? It would live in the Amazon, like the folklore creature and be an apex predator. It could be the one hunting barocavias. Ok! Then we will find another name to the jaguar like descendant of Geoffroy's cat in salt lake Mar Chiquita.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: I looked, the mammalian fauna in Southern Panama is quite unique, but there are a lot of vulnerable or already endangered species. So I made a list of mammalian species of southern Panama with LC status. There are a lot of different types of small rodents, from which we can try to make something bigger in this region. Don't forget that we can also have descendants of domestic animals that could have survived as feral. Can we make an interesting animal with Oligoryzomys fulvescens? I'm working at my internship with this genus at the moment. More precisely, Oligoryzomys microtis. wovoka ïèøåò: Hoplomys gymnurus (This is a very interesting spiny animal related to nutria. If we make it aquatic, then we can get something like an aquatic porcupine, if we make it arboreal, then we can get something like a prickly squirrel or even a prickly monkey.) Is there any night monkey in the region? If not, this rodent could partialy fill their niche and that of a squirrel during the night. It also could have more developed spines. wovoka ïèøåò: 18. Scotinomys teguina (North Panama) - singing rat (may be will make something like howling microwolf? ) I like it! It already is a predatory rodent, hunting insects. What do you thinnk if their descendants start to also hunt small vertebrates? Perhaps they also start to hunt in small groups. wovoka ïèøåò: Vampires (i think we will use them) 84. Desmodus rotundus 85. Diaemus youngi Maybe a giant vampire bat? With large megafauna being around, I thought that it could exist. I had this idea some time ago. What do you think of the name Camazotz, the god of death in Maia mythology. It could have a relative called Caoera. The Mura people, an indigenous people in Brazil, had legends about a a blood-eating bat the size of a vulture that was called this way. wovoka ïèøåò: Unfortunately i don't know japanese to find reliable information about the Hokkaido diving bat, but even if they couldn't dive they can do like other bats that are migrating across the sea: "catching the insects in air and crustaceans and small fishes in the surface waters". While I'm unsure about the reliability of these articles, since I didn't find any mention about it elsewhere, a bat fishing at sea is a good idea. It already exist in the Neocene, we could very well have another species with a similar lifestyle living in Caribbean waters and the Gulf of Mexico. What do you think of their main prey being a lanternfish? This species rise into the epipelagic zone during the sundown. At night it would be a perfect prey for these bats. We could have some interesting morphology with its phophores. If you want a migratory bat, this species could live in cold areas near the Atlantic sea of North America (maybe even in Mishe-Nama Lake). It could migrate to Caribbean islands and Panama. Their arrival in these regions could match the beginning of the reproductive period of this new species of lanternfish, when thay start to produce more light close to the surface. We can make this smaller like fishing cat animal, suitable to the flooded forests of Amazon, from yagouaroundi - it's swim very good. It's an interesting idea! It could live in the flooded forests, hunting in the water and resting in the the trees. During the dry season, they could visit the small streams. wovoka ïèøåò: I think it's too much for us both, let's finish with Maracaibo gulf and then continue with the rest of the chapters, if it is interesting for you Yes! I'll finish the description of the animals of this chapter. I'll have most of it done by Saturday.
wovoka: Well I have proposed two much ideas of the chapters: 1. Gulf Maracaibo. 2. General Carrera Lake. 3. Salt lake Mar Chiquita. 4. Peninsula South Panama. 5. Migrating sea bats of Caribbean sea. I think it's too much for us both, let's finish with Maracaibo gulf and then continue with the rest of the chapters, if it is interesting for you Also I have an idea of chapter about Brazilian Serrado, but it is in Russian section of forum https://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-6-1679590219518-00000302-000-10001-0#028 https://sivatherium.borda.ru/?1-6-1679590290936-00000302-000-10001-0#033.001
ìåäâåäü: "Japanese scientists are trying to find a rare species of bats that feed on krill in the South Kuriles. At sunset, these bats fold their wings and, like seagulls, dive into the water, catching krill. They tend to sit on fishing buoys in the sea. Scientists have discovered this kind of bats on the Japanese island Hokkaido, in their opinion, we should have the same bats. According to Japanese colleagues, this type of bats is nowhere else in the world." Taking into account that they used a photo of a fruit bat, it may be not so reliable. Could you find another source? And I think that bones of the bats are too fragile for diving. We can make this smaller like fishing cat animal, suitable to the flooded forests of Amazon, from yagouaroundi - it's swim very good. https://www.deviantart.com/viergacht/art/River-Cat-or-Leon-del-Lago-118828925 I just remembered this)
wovoka: ìåäâåäü ïèøåò: Taking into account that they used a photo of a fruit bat, it may be not so reliable. Could you find another source? And I think that bones of the bats are too fragile for diving. https://sakh.online/news/18/2012-08-03/redkiy-vid-letuchih-myshey-nyryayuschih-v-more-izuchat-yaponskie-uchenye-na-yuzhnyh-kurilah-303358 Other source about this expedition and this very rare diving bats of Hokkaido? But there is no photos of this bat.
wovoka: JOrnitho ïèøåò: Can we make an interesting animal with Oligoryzomys fulvescens? Yes, of course, but what is yout suggesting? JOrnitho ïèøåò: Is there any night monkey in the region? If not, this rodent could partialy fill their niche and that of a squirrel during the night. It also could have more developed spines. wovoka ïèøåò: Aotus trivirgatus But we can differ their diet to have them differrent niche and I also want to make something like water porcupine from this rodent. JOrnitho ïèøåò: Maybe a giant vampire bat? Yes and it can live everywere in South America were we have any megafauna species, especially barocavias and giant pacas. JOrnitho ïèøåò: we could very well have another species with a similar lifestyle living in Caribbean waters and the Gulf of Mexico. What do you think of their main prey being a lanternfish? This species rise into the epipelagic zone during the sundown. At night it would be a perfect prey for these bats. We could have some interesting morphology with its phophores. If you want a migratory bat, this species could live in cold areas near the Atlantic sea of North America (maybe even in Mishe-Nama Lake). It could migrate to Caribbean islands and Panama. Their arrival in these regions could match the beginning of the reproductive period of this new species of lanternfish, when thay start to produce more light close to the surface. I'll try to make a description of this two sea bats this or next weak and then we will discuss the details. Ok? JOrnitho ïèøåò: It's an interesting idea! It could live in the flooded forests, hunting in the water and resting in the the trees. During the dry season, they could visit the small streams. Yes that is good idea! JOrnitho ïèøåò: It already is a predatory rodent, hunting insects. What do you thinnk if their descendants start to also hunt small vertebrates? Perhaps they also start to hunt in small groups I also aggree. We will left rhem in north Panama or they will be in south Panama? Or we can take also Scotinomys xerampelinus they will live one in Peninsula North Panama and the other in Peninsula South Panama and will have some differences living in differrent continents. JOrnitho ïèøåò: Yes! I'll finish the description of the animals of this chapter. I'll have most of it done by Saturday. Well, when you will finish the descriptions let's discuss the structure of the chapter. Whom you want to make the main hero or heroes of the chapter? wovoka ïèøåò: General Carrera Lake. The future chapter let's take General Carrera Lake.
JOrnitho: wovoka ïèøåò: Yes, of course, but what is yout suggesting? I was thinking that it could dig, making long underground tunnels. wovoka ïèøåò: But we can differ their diet to have them differrent niche and I also want to make something like water porcupine from this rodent. They can have a more squirrel-like diet. I'll need to search about their ability of swimming, but perhaps we could have this water porcupine being a descendant of Coendou. wovoka ïèøåò: I'll try to make a description of this two sea bats this or next weak and then we will discuss the details. Ok? Ok! wovoka ïèøåò: I also aggree. We will left rhem in north Panama or they will be in south Panama? Perhaps it's a genus with close related species living in both areas? It could be a result of the separation of Panama. wovoka ïèøåò: Well, when you will finish the descriptions let's discuss the structure of the chapter. Whom you want to make the main hero or heroes of the chapter? Maybe a female yara and her first pup? We can cover in the chapter how the young learns about his environment.
wovoka: Unfortunately i don't know japanese to find reliable information about the Hokkaido diving bat, but even if they couldn't dive they can do like other bats that are migrating across the sea: "catching the insects in air and crustaceans and small fishes in the surface waters".
ìåäâåäü: even if they couldn't dive they can do like other bats that are migrating across the sea: "catching the insects in air and crustaceans and small fishes in the surface waters". This looks more realistic.
wovoka: ìåäâåäü ïèøåò: This looks more realistic. Ok! JOrnitho ïèøåò: I was thinking that it could dig, making long underground tunnels. I agree. JOrnitho ïèøåò: They can have a more squirrel-like diet. Yes, good idea! JOrnitho ïèøåò: I'll need to search about their ability of swimming, but perhaps we could have this water porcupine being a descendant of Coendou. Ok, it will be good if you'll find that information. But Coendou also will be good. JOrnitho ïèøåò: Perhaps it's a genus with close related species living in both areas? It could be a result of the separation of Panama. Let it be! Well, doesn't it look like a micro wolf? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Male_Alston%27s_singing_mouse_%28Scotinomys_teguina%29_singing.ogv JOrnitho ïèøåò: Maybe a female yara and her first pup? We can cover in the chapter how the young learns about his environment. Good idea for the chapter! Let's review what species we decided to settle in Maracaibo Gulf and their names. May be we forgot someone? Here will be: Barocavia http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/2shadwng.htm#barocavia_potamophyla_en Caribbean algocetus http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/enmammal.htm#xenalgocetus_diodon_en Atlantic bat turtle http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/enrept.htm#pteromedusa_vespertilionina_en Maybe in Maracaibo Gulf will be nesting some smaller subspecies of this turtle? New species 1. Yara - water descendent of tayra. 2. Awaruwape - semiaquatic swimming in salt sea water jaguar-like descendent of ocelot 3. Tapiraiaura - the ambulocetus-like descendant of the Procyon cancrivorus 3. Cabiai-pyinko - peccary-like descendent of brazilian guinea pig 4. Meku - semiaquatic collective descendent of Humboldt's white-fronted capuchin (Cebus albifrons) (Meku is Caribbean name of other capuchin monkey Cebus apella: brown capuchin, i think that neocene water monkeys will be more like brown capuchin wih the same color and form of body) 5. Karara - flightless descendent of giant darter (Anhinga) (in Carib language karara means and darter, and cormorant). 6. Karapisuru - descendent of Porphyrula martinica 7. Some descendent of the rail (I've forgotten whom you had chosen) Kotaka - descendent of Aramides cajanea: grey-necked wood-rail Akatasuwe - descendent of Rallus maculatus: spotted rail Sansaparu - descendent of Rallus longirostris: clapper rail 6. Kàwiriri - descendent of Dendrocygna autumnalis (Kàwiriri - is the name of this duck in carib language). 7. Cyculi - descendent of sungrebe (Heliornis fulica) (Cyculi - is the name of the bird in Guahibo language) or you decided not to take this bird? 8. Kusa - descendant of blue crab (Ucides cordatus) 9. Sakompo - giant sea water snake analogue of Anaconda (carib name of Boidae family) or we can call it Urupere carib mithological snake monster May be there will be one of this snakes, if you plan describing them? Kuwasakara - watersnake sp. ( it can be Pseudoeryx relictualis, Helicops scalaris, Hydrops triangularis, Liophis spp.) Akurimopi - indigosnake (Drymarchon corais) Asakaimo - rattlesnake [Crotalus durissus) Okoju (it is spelling okoyu) - Xenodon severus Turtles Arakaka - Guiana wood turtle, scorpion mud turtle, galap (Rhinoclemmys punctularia) - sometimes found in Lake Maracaibo, we can give this name arakaka to Rhinoclemmys diademata (the endemic of Maracaibo) I was looking for the name for the name Podilymbus podiceps in some indian language and I propose the name Kaarai – the name of any water bird species in Wayuu language (language of Guajiro Indians that living on the banks of Maracaibo lake) and looking for the indian bird names I'm proposing also to describe: Teitei - descendent of Vanellus chilensis (the name in wayuu language) Katipirüin - descendent of Pyrocephalus obscurus (the name in wayuu language) - it will be catching flies, mosquitoes and different parasites on the bodies of barocavias and Cabiai-pyinko. And Warulapai - big predator bird catching big fish, water snakes, little turtles, water birds and also cubs of Yaras, Algocetuses, Tapiraiaura, Meku, Cabiai-pyinko. But I don't know who will be the ancestor of this bird. Osprey is extinct in neocene. It may be Circus buffoni. Or maybe the ancestor will be some parrot. We have already fish-eating parrot Psittacohamiota longipes in neocene in Mauritius island. Unfortunately Aras extinct to neocene, they could be such predatory birds Maybe Brotogeris jugularis (now it can eating insects and algae) or Pionus menstruus (it can leave along rivers and can eat canterpillars) maybe through 25 ml years they will become bigger and become either omnivorous or predatory, or even water predatory birds. Parrot is Kotooro in wayuu language. If we make big water predatory parrot we can give him name Warulapai-Kotooro I forgot someone?
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